You see, they look serious, as they both met at so many occasions. And I bet you, Jaap rather talks with politicians than with generals. And Gul is right that in the NATO-EU conferences, Turkey can not be left out.
What bothers me are the senseless accusations by Turkish generals, that European countries are financing and helping the PKK.
And last but not the least, Cyprus can never be a member of the NATO as long as there is no settlement. It would paralyze the NATO completely. Enough problems already within the EU.
And Jaap knows this...
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