tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post2582825024715708960..comments2023-08-05T16:20:49.623+03:00Comments on Internations Musings: Istanbul, Florence, Athens, Yerevan and Dubai: A new approachBeahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09093366729153688025noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-51001931572021879322007-11-02T10:14:00.000+02:002007-11-02T10:14:00.000+02:00Hans, Why do there need to be discrete enumerable ...Hans, <BR/><BR/>Why do there need to be discrete enumerable 'ways' with Gulen shepherding us to the acceptable one? Why cast things in this manner at all? It isn't a matter of black/white and some color in between that people are to acquire en masse. If you educate people properly you inevitably get a diversity of opinion -- not a 'way'. <BR/><BR/>I read the article just now. Apparently you saw something in it that I did not. So tell me, what is this 'third way'? What does this bridge consist of? How is a Gulen-educated person different than an ordinary non-elite person?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-11845009469530181782007-11-02T09:26:00.000+02:002007-11-02T09:26:00.000+02:00Bulent, read the article in its contex. Is there s...Bulent, read the article in its contex. Is there something wrong with finding a third way?<BR/>Its a start, and I share your sceptism. But everything bettere than a black/white view.<BR/>regardsInternation Musinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693858277179002967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-13757206287723987482007-11-02T08:32:00.000+02:002007-11-02T08:32:00.000+02:00I quote:She pointed out that words relating to spa...I quote:<BR/><BR/><I>She pointed out that words relating to space and water were selected as names for the companies and institutions that are linked to the Gülen movement, stressing that words connoting inactivity such as a name of a lake were not selected, which she showed as the dynamic character of the Gülen movement.</I><BR/><BR/>I certainly hope she got paid well for this amazing insight. Armed with this knowledge, I have renamed my kitchen 'competence room' and my office 'the tidy place'. This, I am now eating gourmet meals, and working in an organized fashion. <BR/><BR/>Surely this is either a joke or somehow taken out of context? On the other hand, they do seem to call themselves the 'elite' so perhaps this is the way it works and I, as a non-elite obviously lacking in proper piety, cannot understand how this approach is different than the one taken by the various People's Democratic Republics or indeed the fabled Ministry of Love. <BR/><BR/>Oh look, the glorious leader also spoke:<BR/><BR/><I>It is my perception that these activities, which have been put in action so far under the rubric of ‘understanding,’ ‘tolerance,’ and ‘dialogue,’ would be better if pursued from now on within the framework of emphasizing and gathering around universal human values and a framework of reciprocal respect for the position of those with different perceptions, beliefs and thoughts.</I><BR/><BR/>And it is my lowly impious 'perception' that 'perception' management is one of those universal human values that gets the most emphasis. But obviously sometimes the wrong thing is perceived by the worng people. Again I quote:<BR/><BR/><I>... Maigre underlined that the greatest achievement of the movement has been to <B>drag</B> the Islamist movements and their supporters in Turkey to a moderate "third path."</I> (emphasis mine)<BR/><BR/>This is the message isn't it? What's being advertised is that Gulen's group are the people to deal with if one wants people dragged. I'm sure the right people <I>perceive</I> this just fine, while the rest are supposed to <I>perceive</I> the grandness of the movement get accepted by foreign <I>elites</I>. No doubt all this happens in lovin' harmony and understanding all that. Oh, and, no doubt, by divine design. I see the design bit alright, at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-8420723196336082362007-10-28T12:33:00.000+02:002007-10-28T12:33:00.000+02:00Found it, thank you, Hans.It is no surprise that t...Found it, thank you, Hans.<BR/>It is no surprise that the masters of this "intelligently designed web" would call their followers "supranational new elite". Old trick. Fatuous people like being told they are superior. :)<BR/><BR/>Hope your "bloglems" will soon be fixed. Have a pleasant and relaxing Sunday.Sean Jeatinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08978285783271305489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-7130005247486687542007-10-28T10:06:00.000+02:002007-10-28T10:06:00.000+02:00article was in zamanarticle was in zamanInternation Musinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693858277179002967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-20635754377062864242007-10-28T10:05:00.000+02:002007-10-28T10:05:00.000+02:00i have problems to log in sean.can not manage tha...i have problems to log in sean.<BR/>can not manage that much now. have to fix it.<BR/>kindestInternation Musinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693858277179002967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9462402.post-29418224701314737692007-10-28T01:34:00.000+03:002007-10-28T01:34:00.000+03:00Hans,this reads slightly Akyolesgue.Has the Direct...Hans,<BR/>this reads slightly Akyolesgue.<BR/>Has the Director of Fethullah Gülen's "Journalists and Writers Foundation" persuaded you to believe that there is a potter who's first name is not Harry who a few 1.000 years ago took a clot of loam, designed a being, shortly afterwards took a rib of this being and formed him a female (so that he would always have something to beat up?) :)<BR/><BR/>Or why did you post this uncommented, and without any link?Sean Jeatinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08978285783271305489noreply@blogger.com